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Home >> Opinion
UPDATED: 14:57, November 22, 2005
"If you're a soldier, you don't cry": Interview (V)
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Photo:File photo shows Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr. is making a speech in October, 2005, in Washington, US.
File photo shows Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr. is making a speech in October, 2005, in Washington, US.
Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr. is an American political activist and founder of various political organizations in the United States and elsewhere. He is perhaps best known for being a "perennial candidate" for U.S. Presidency, having set a minor record for most consecutive attempts at the office by running eight times; Harold Stassen ran for President nine times, but not consecutively. LaRouche has run for the Democratic nomination for President in every election year since 1980, including in 1992 while he was in prison. Yet he and his "LaRouche movement" have gained only limited electoral support, although he has received some support in Democratic presidential primaries.

Although he has no formal qualifications, LaRouche has written extensively on economic, scientific, political, and cultural topics. Critics consider him to be a conspiracy theorist and political attention-seeker. He is frequently described as an extremist, cult leader, a communist, a fascist, and an anti-Semite, all of which he denies. LaRouche is regarded by his followers as a brilliant individual who for political reasons has been unfairly persecuted.

In 1988 LaRouche was sentenced to fifteen years imprisonment for conspiracy, mail fraud, and tax code violations. He continued his political activities from behind bars. He was released in 1994 on parole after having served five years.

LaRouche lists his formal position as a director and contributing editor of the Executive Intelligence Review News Service, a core part of the LaRouche movement.

Recently Yong Tang, People's Daily Online Washington-based staff writer, has conducted an exclusive interview with LaRouche at his home in Virginia.


Yong Tang: Let's turn to your political life. As I know, you have run for the Democratic nomination for President in every election year since 1980 and you lost the election every time.

LaRouche: No, I won every time. it's not winning a prize. Running for President is influencing the future of the country. When you run for President repeatedly and seriously, when you are a serious personality, not some fool or clown, what happens is that you become a part of the Presidential system. You are called upon to advise the government. For instance, I wasn't a member of government, but I worked for President Reagan on the negotiation with the Soviet Union, on the SDI (Strategic Defense Initiative) proposal and other things.

Yong Tang: What is your professional title in the elections?

LaRouche: I'm just the head of my own association. But that's the way it functions. You become a recognized political figure of the institutions of government. And you're recognized as being a part of the presidential system. So technically, I'm a part of the presidential system. I've run officially and been qualified as a candidate. I've run as a candidate. I influence politics. I consult with people in all kinds of layers in politics. I consult with international people. I advise my government on various kinds of things, when it's willing, from time to time. So I'm a part of the system of government of the United States, in this capacity. That's the way our system works.

Particularly with the presidential system, in which you become a permanent part of the actual government, without you actually holding any office, but you become, by common Understanding, a part of the system. And I'm a part of the system of government of the United States.

Yong Tang: But every time you just failed.

LaRouche: Not at all. It's like how many battles does a soldier fight? He keeps fighting the battles. Why? Because he's a soldier.

Yong Tang: So next time in 2008 you're going to run for President again?

LaRouche: I don't plan to because of my age. I could run. But I've got to think about the future. My job now is to create the selection of the next President of the United States. You know in China, you sometimes go to a higher position from being an official. And when you become a higher level than an official, your responsibility is to help select and train the people who will run this country. That's my job.

Yong Tang: So that is why you are turning to a youth movement in America?

LaRouche: I created a youth movement because we needed it, and that nobody else knew how to do it. Because they forgot. They lost the understanding of the youth movement.

Yong Tang: You are a big shot here. But it seems you are much more famous overseas than here in America. You have a large number of followers among young people.

LaRouche: (Laughing) You walk into a room here and mention my name, you could start a riot, especially in Washington, D.C. You mention my name. Aaaaaaaaaaargh!

Yong Tang: (laughing) A troublemaker! So you are trying to cultivate the younger generation to follow you?

LaRouche: No, I am trying to create a new younger generation. You see I have all these young people around me. They represent a lot of potential. They need the opportunity of self-development. They don't know how to do it. But I know how to get them to do it. To develop themselves.

Yong Tang: What is your approach?

LaRouche: I give those young people a sense of independence. I find they don't need too much. The potential is there. They need help. They need advice. And once you give them advice, and they come back and ask you a few questions here and there. I get a lot of questions. And they do it themselves.

The best way to have a permanent effect on the youth is not to do it for them or to tell them what to do. The best way is to get them to do it for themselves. Then they have independent capabilities. And the people who lead the future of America must have independent capabilities. They must not be simply people who wait for orders. They have to have the independent sense of their own capability.

Yong Tang: you said the Soviet government wanted to kill you because you were a dangerous person?

LaRouche: Yes, I became a threat at that time for the Soviet Union. I became a threat because I was a power in the United States at that point. So therefore they had a public attack.

Yong Tang: On you? and they tried to kill you?

LaRouche: Well, Gorbachev's wife was used for this purpose. Her name is Raisa and she controlled a whole series of publications, so-called cultural publications in the Soviet Union. And this and other institutions were used to demand my killing. "Imprison or kill him!". "Imprison or kill him!"The Soviet press was full of this.

Reagan was going to Reykavik for a so-called summit meeting with Gorbachev. And on the week before that, 400 people came to kill me, official people.

Yong Tang: 400 people? To kill you?

LaRouche: Yeah. Well the 400 was to run an operation in the whole area, but there was a special team there which was assigned to come in and kill me. So I sent a telegram to Reagan, and that night the order came down to stop it.

Yong Tang: Who came down to stop it?

LaRouche: Well, Reagan gave an order, the Reagan Administration gave an order to the head of the Justice Department to stop it.

Yong Tang: To stop the Soviet....

LaRouche: From killing me. Not to kill me. So later they decided to send me to prison. And that was George Bush Senior, who was involved in saying yes to that.

Yong Tang: But why?

LaRouche: Because I'm a part of the Presidential system.

Yong Tang: How did they make a good excuse for that?

LaRouche: They make one up. That's easy. The United States system is very good in that. They can make excuses. They can kill anybody they want to kill and they can make it look legal. There's no problem.

Yong Tang: The government charged that you never repaid $200,000 of loans.

LaRouche: That wasn't our fault. They did, I didn't do it. The government did it.

Yong Tang: But I don't quite understand...

LaRouche: They faked the figures.

Yong Tang: But I still don't understand how this works.

LaRouche: They had a judge in Alexandria. They have a special system inside the United States Government which was set up in this form under Teddy Roosevelt. It was set up by the creation of the National Bureau of Investigation, which later became the FBI. You have a secret element of the U.S. Government, which is buried inside the Justice Department. It's called the Internal Security Apparatus. It's the most secret part of the Government, the Internal Security Apparatus. It's actually controlled by groups of bankers and law firms from New York City and so forth, who are tied into this entity.

And any time you want to get rid of someone who is high-level as I was, they go into this section of government which cooperates under various names, which is actually the secret internal security apparatus. The judge of the Alexandria. Virginia Federal court is the judge for this system. Anytime they want to kill someone or send them to prison, who is high-level, he ends up with charges in Alexandria before the judge who is the chief judge of that court. And anyone who is sent into that court will be convicted of anything.

Yong Tang: Bu they should have a charge.

LaRouche: Hahaha! The charge was conspiracy.

Yong Tang: What was the charge for you?

LaRouche: Thirteen counts of conspiracy.

Yong Tang: Conspiracy for what?

LaRouche: All kinds of things. It was crazy. Insane. But it can only work in that way. They put me on trial in Boston and they lost the case. So before the case was officially closed, I was actually exonerated, but technically not. So they reopened the trial under different auspices in Alexandria and it's automatic. The trial was in Boston. I won the case in Boston.

Yong Tang: You won it?

LaRouche: Well, I won it with the court.

Yong Tang: So they moved you somewhere else and retried you?

LaRouche: Yeah. Under new charges. Which is conspiracy. Only conspiracy. It's that simple. It was a short trial. It was over.

Yong Tang: It was about financial matter?

LaRouche: Well, it's all kinds of things. They tried to make it financial, but actually it was all done by the government, everything they accused me of was actually done by the government. You see, what the government did was they bankrupted a firm illegally. The government did the illegal act.

Yong Tang: Then they put you under bankruptcy?

LaRouche: The losses from the bankruptcy were the basis for the charges. Later, the thing was ruled as being an illegal bankruptcy. But they charged that it was not a bad faith error, it was just an error. If it had been a bad faith error, there would have had to be a new trial, and would have gotten the whole thing over. The former President George W Bush was the key President in charge, who was responsible for this. And he hates me to this day.

Yong Tang: You could have hired very competent lawyers to defend yourself.

LaRouche: The United States has a secret dictatorship built into it. Don't believe this stuff about democracy. (Laughter).

Yong Tang: Just like Saddam Hussein?

LaRouche: Saddam Hussein was, of course, cruder. These people are slightly more refined. Not that much, but slightly more. When they want to kill, they kill.

Yong Tang: How did you feel at that time?

LaRouche: I understood.

Yong Tang: You understood?

LaRouche: Sure.

Yong Tang: You accepted your fate?

LaRouche: No, I didn't accept it. I understood it. There's a difference.

Yong Tang: Oh, you understood.

LaRouche: I understood that in my time I will do what I have to do.

Yong Tang: You mean you run for president?

LaRouche: That's right. You decide what you have to do. They knew it, OK, they did it. You can't go around weeping about it. You have to decide what you're going to do.

Yong Tang: You didn't cry?

LaRouche: No, you don't cry in warfare. If you're a soldier you don't cry.

Yong Tang: How many years did you spend in prison?

LaRouche: Five years.

Yong Tang: Where was it?

LaRouche: In Rochester, Minnesota.

Yong Tang: Was it a prison only for political prisoners?

LaRouche: No, political prisoners go to various places, but that is a place which tended to be a special concentration of political prisoners. It was a general prison. The prison was established as an off-shoot of the Mayo Clinic in Rochester. They used to have a mental hospital there, which was a public mental hospital. So the Federal government bought this mental hospital and they turned it into a prison.

My judgment was that this was a center where they would house people who had medical problems and who were political prisoners. Because the Mayo Clinic would provide the medical services. And this facility had a hospital in it. So you would have this prison, and political prisoners would tend to go there. They would go there because they had some medical thing, or something like that, you could send them there.

Yong Tang: How do you think of the treatment you received while you stayed there?

LaRouche: It was fixed. Because a lot of people in the system of government knew exactly what the case was. So the warden of the prison and some of the officials knew exactly what the case was. They knew I was a political prisoner. They didn't bother me.

Yong Tang: They didn't bother you?

LaRouche: Ah, but then you had a section of the security apparatus in the prison which belonged to the other side. So we had some threats. There was one effort to induce a heart attack, which didn't work. But the news got out, and they got slapped in the face for trying. So after that, I had minimal problems inside the prison.

During the first year I was there there was this effort to have me eliminated. But after they got caught at it, and there was a complaint about it from Washington, then they backed off.

Yong Tang: How could you survive it? Five years is a long time.

LaRouche: With my personality I survive all kinds of things. When you get to be an old soldier, you survive a lot. And the way you survive is being yourself.

Yong Tang: What did you do every day?

LaRouche: Well, I did what I should. I did what I was supposed to do, and I helped people when I could.

Yong Tang: Help people? How?

LaRouche: Well, prisoners are there. They've problems. They've got psychological problems. They've got all kinds of problems. They have fears, they have anxieties. They're human beings.

Yong Tang: Bill Jones, one of your friend once said that you organized a musical group in the prision.

LaRouche: We did all kinds of things. Since I was very much with civil rights and the history of civil rights, I became involved in various things around that. You know, people came around and they knew you have been in politics and so forth, and they came to you with their problems. They had their personal problems they want to talk about, they wanted someone to talk to. You became involved in being good to people.

Yong Tang: You had written some books while you were in prison?

LaRouche: I wrote some, yes.

Yong Tang: How man books?

LaRouche: Oh, several. What I did is that I wrote a lot of things. And some of them became books, and some other things were turned into parts of books.

Yong Tang: How did you write books in prison?

LaRouche: I just wrote them.

Yong Tang: Did you have pens? Reference books?

LaRouche: Yes, I had materials. I was able to write, and send out what I wrote.

Yong Tang: So you didn't call somebody up and ask him to write down what you wanted to say?

LaRouche: I called and talked to people on the telephone. I just wrote what I wrote.

Yong Tang: What are the titles of these books?

LaRouche: One was on cold fusion, on the implications of cold fusion. We also wrote a composite book on railroads, two volumes. And a lot of articles. I was constantly busy, doing interviews...

Yong Tang: You could accept interviews in the prison?

LaRouche: Yes. We had certain restrictions, but we could do it.

Yong Tang: Who interviewed you?

LaRouche: A lot of people. Mostly my people, radio stations, things like that.

Yong Tang: How did you feel as a political prisoner in America?

LaRouche: Well I was concerned about what I was doing, there wasn't much...

Yong Tang: You were proud of being in prison?

LaRouche: Yea, sure. Not that I liked to be in prison. That was not my profession. But I felt good about myself, should we say. Not about my conditions.

By Yong Tang, People's Daily Online Washington-based Staff Writer


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